Summoning is one of the most known bands incorporating the mythology of J.R.R. Tolkien into their music. And in the black metal scene, they are the indisputable point of reference regarding Tolkien.
Evolution has not stopped for this duet ever since their far away debut Lugburz in 1995, and with every new creation the complexity of their sound has come closer to the complexity of the literary work which inspires them, turning their last albums into masterpieces of epic atmospheric melodic black metal.
Protector and Silenius, the members of this Austrian band, took the time to answer some questions for metalicos.com, and clarified a couple of things regarding the current status of the band, an eventual next album and one or two topics really outside of the regular metal chat. Time to enter the Middle Earth, accompanied by the soundtrack made by Summoning
1-METALICOS-Hello there guys! Thank you so much for sparing some minutes of your time to answer these questions for your Costarican and Latin American fans. Could you give us a clue on what’s going on currently on the Summoning realm? It’s been a while since the last news update on the band’s website…
SILENIUS/ In the last few weeks there is not too much progress in the way of coming forward with new Summoning material. All in all Protector has stored a lot of new material and ideas but I was a bit lazy during the last years and so I have done just a very few new riffs. By the way, I am also doing the new Kreuzweg Ost album which will be finished this year so this excuse is maybe a little bit less ashaming, but I promise that in the future I will do more for Summoning, but there won’t be a new album before 2010.
2-METALICOS-What’s the current status of your other personal projects: Kreuzweg Ost, Amestigon, Ice Ages, Die Verbannten Kinder Evas..?
SILENIUS/ The new Amestigon cd is also in the finishing process. Again I did session vocals for one song. As far as I know it will be released on Albin Julius "Hauruck" label which is a bit untypical because this is no metal label, but that comes because of the friendship between the band and the label. More information you can see on the myspace side of the band Amestigon.
PROTECTOR/ The last album I released was the third "Ice Ages" album. I worked on new sounds and new synthesizer constructions for the next songs, but did not make new songs so far. But I have done some remixes for the electro industrial band "Acylum" such as for the wave band "Whispers in the Shadow". I did not deal with "Die Verban
3-METALICOS-More than experimentation, I would link the word progression to the art of Summoning, since we have witnessed how the band has greatly improved musically on every new album. How do you manage to create your art without repeating yourselves and at the same time keeping the style you
are known for?
SILENIUS/ There are 2 sides in Summoning. The first side of Summoning is that since Minas Morgul we have created our own style, not only in music but also in the lyrical style. That means since Minas Morgul the musical type is a mixture between melodic black metal and the epic soundtrack influences. And lyrical wise I am totally into the world of Tolkien and its musical translation.
But on the other side from release to release we always put some new aspects to our music; for example we often change our guitar sound. We have included some clear vocal choirs; we added some sound and word sample to our music, and so on. All these changes are always small ones which maybe can be heard if you only know just one or two releases, but if you follow the development it’s of course recognizable that the music has more variety from album to album.
4-METALICOS-How would you describe your development as musicians through the years? What has changed? Have you dropped any ideas you used to follow? Have you added new ways of creating music? What remains?
PROTECTOR/ I think it’s natural for any musician to change during the years, no matter if he wants that or not. Surely Summoning is not a band known for radical changes but if you look deeper into our music you realize that the second album of us is pretty different to the last album we have done, even if it still consists on the same principles, still is based on orchestral keyboards and epic drums. The general tendency you can see in the history of Summoning is an increase of details and polyphony. Anything now is more multi layered than in the past and there is more to discover. But on the other hand you can also say that in the older times things were more spontaneous. I understand both, people preferring the old and people preferring the new albums.
5-METALICOS-There’s a constant topic on your interviews and that’s your relationship with Napalm Records. What do you think about having the degree of liberty that you enjoy on this label? Other rules are the ones that apply on the case of the vast majority of bands…
PROTECTOR/ We definitely have any freedom we want with Napalm Records. But that's not only ‘cause of the liberal mind of Napalm Records, it’s mainly the result of our ultra low budget as we produce the sound of our albums on our own and therefore have maybe just 10% of the costs that any bigger band on Napalm Records has. The lower the budget the more freedom a band has, ‘cause a high budget means more pressure on the label and therefore on the band to bring back the huge costs.
Together with the band "Falkenbach" we are the kind of "dinosaurs" on Napalm Records. Some old bands that refused any kind of trend following during all those years, preferring to have all artistic freedom to any short termed success.
6-METALICOS-Let’s talk a little bit about the inevitable subject: Tolkien. How did you reach the point where you knew, where you were sure that you wanted to create music inspired solely by Tolkien’s work?
SILENIUS/ It was never the point that we thought: Ok now we start to make music of Tolkien’s world. The process of the Tolkien topic was a slow creeping one. After the first CD when we kicked out our drummer we had been in the situation not to be a full band anymore, and we had the opportunity to find new band members and continue as a full band, or to work out something different. We decided to do the second, and so we continued to create music with a complete new style of composing; that means that there was no usual band practice anymore as you are used to in a normal band. We started to compose music from composition aspect; that means one of us composes the basic melody lines for one song and then we add more and more to this melody line, until a complete song is ready. This way of composing is of course the total opposite to usual band rehearsals.
7-METALICOS-Who is your favorite Tolkien’s work illustrator and why?
SILENIUS/ Of course the best Tolkien illustrators are those who also have been included in the realisation of the Tolkien movies from Peter Jackson namely "Allan Lee" or "John Howe". "Allan Lee" because of his non kitsch colouring and John Howe because of his excellent knowledge how characters of Tolkien’s world should look like.
8-METALICOS-Can you tell us what your first thoughts were when you knew that a big scale movie based on The Lord of the Rings was on the making? I remember some people laughing about it saying it was just not possible, but now you see…
SILENIUS/ To be honest, when I first heard that Peter Jackson would be the director of the film I was very unsure that this movie could be a cool one, because I knew the trash movies Peter Jackson already had done before. But in the end this decision was the right one because Peter Jackson was not only a fan of Lord of the Rings, he was an idealist and not that assembly line director from Hollywood like for example "Jerry Bruckheimer".
9-METALICOS-You’re the main point of reference in the extreme metal world when talking about bands influenced by Tolkien, and I guess that gives you some authority to judge other works based on Tolkien’s world –but please correct me if I’m wrong on that–, so the question is: what do you think about the soundtrack of the movies? Do they fit with the spirit of the story?
SILENIUS/ To be honest I am not a big fan of the soundtrack. The music works really fine when you see the movie at the same time, but listening to the soundtrack alone it gets a bit boring after a while because there are simple not enough catchy melody themes inside.
10-METALICOS-Ok, let’s change subject again. Another regular theme in Summoning interviews refers to your opinion on the relationship of black metal and extreme right wing ideas. But this time, more than asking you about any specific matter, we would like to know this: Why do you think that race is so important and relevant for some people? Why do they care?
PROTECTOR/ Race is mainly important for people, who have nothing else to be proud about than the coincidence of the racial inheritance. I think specially these days where the world is more and more controlled by huge concerns and democracy becomes more and more a hollow show, people feel more and more unmighty and weak. Therefore the desire to feel proud about
something increases; and this racist pride is just the most easy way to get your pride. It’s of course far more easy to believe that all your character traits are a result of your racial inheritance than to work on getting more skills and better personal attitudes. But anyway for me it’s a far better solution to try to be strong, instead of hiding your weakness behind some racial illusions.
It also might make some weak people feel stronger if they kick foreign people who are in a lower economical situation than they are. It’s this old fascistic "getting beaten from above, beating down" mentality that’s for me just total pathetic and coward.
11-METALICOS/ And now that we just added this subject to the interview, why do you think that most interviewers insist on asking your opinion about topics related to national socialism, racism, etc.?
PROTECTOR/ Well that’s not really true. I hardly get questions about National Socialism or racism. Most people don’t care about that and just want to isolate from the real word, what’s ok for me as well. But of course I also get interviews with questions about that topic and that’s no wonder. In the genre of black metal there are either people following middle right to right extreme ideologies, or people who don’t care at all about that; but I don’t know hardly any black metal band that has total clear consequent arguments against Nazis and racism. So I am a kind of "outsider" in that scene concerning that and therefore naturally get such questions. But as I don’t follow the scene so deep, I might just have not noticed bands doing the same with the same intensity.
12-METALICOS-This one is for Protector: How did you first get in touch with oriental musical culture?
PROTECTOR/ If you consider the times when I started making music this connection is much more clear for you. It was the time when darkwave bands such as "Dead Can Dance" etc. were more known and popular. It was not that narrow minded nationalistic mood those times. People tended to be more interested in unknown cultures and unknown times away from present reality, and did want to pretend to make total pure national music (what they never did anyway).
And also if you look at all those medieval darkwave or metal bands and if you have a bit of knowledge about the history of instruments you see lots of instruments there that are direct taken from oriental culture that came to Europe with the crusades (like lute = oud, shalm = zurna etc).
13-METALICOS-We all know that Summoning is not to be openly associated with oriental influences musically speaking, however, due to Protectors familiarity with Persian, Turkish and Arabic music, I’d like to dig a little deeper so, are you familiar with bands like Orphaned Land or Melechesh just to mention a couple which rely heavily on middle eastern sounds in their music? If so, what do you think about their work?
PROTECTOR/ I must confess I am not into any music these days; simply cause of lack of time. The only music I follow a bit deeper is the harsher electronic scene. The only band I can recall now making real cool music with oriental rhythms is the Bulgarian band "Irfan", but it’s no metal at all, it’s dark mystic oriental darkwave.
14-METALICOS-Is oriental music a world that should be more explored by western musicians, what could be improved by doing so?
PROTECTOR/ I think that these days full of political anti-Islam propaganda are not the right days to make oriental culture more popular. I think anything connected to Persia or Arabic cultures is nowadays rather the kind of "axis of evil" culture ;-)
For me that culture is very interesting ‘cause its music spreads a very mystical feeling (specially Persian one) as well as a kind of suffering feeling (can be found more in Arabic culture).
15-METALICOS-Ok, we’re approaching the end so let’s go back to Summoning related questions. How is your relationship with Latin American fans? Do you receive many mails and feedback from this part of the world?
PROTECTOR/ I receive a lot of emails from many parts of the world. Latin America is definitely not the most unusual part of the world to receive fans reactions. I even got fan mails from Iran, China or Tunisia. But I can not say much about any special Latin American metal scene as I just receive some emails from some Latin American fans who talk not different than people from other countries.
16-METALICOS/ Do you have any words for the impatient fans who would like to see a new Summoning album out soon?
SILENIUS/ To be honest, in the moment we take together many ideas in musical composing, but we have no full concept for the next CD and we don’t know in which direction it will go. Everything is opened and undefined in the moment.
17-METALICOS-If we base our opinion on what Summoning has accomplished so far, there’s no doubt that the future still holds some new heights for the band to achieve but, do you see the band active many years from now, or the possibility of coming to a glorious end some day soon is also real?
PROTECTOR/ There is no reason ever to split up as we are no regular band doing weekly rehearsals. Whenever we feel in the mood for making new songs we do it, when we are in a mood for a rest we also do it. There is no reason to stick together all week and get on our nerves ;-) so why should we split up, we still have the passion for music and get ideas in regular intervals.
18-METALICOS-Well, guess that’ll do for this time; I want to thank you deeply for the time you dedicated to do this interview, please receive greetings from metalicos.com and all your Latin American fans, thank you!
PROTECTOR/ Thanks for the interview, greetings to all our Latin American fans. |